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Episode 26 of the #PADpod features the very funny and engaging Joanna McNurlen! Joanna parlayed her Drama and Business background at WashU into an interesting and exciting career journey that took her from positions at Deloitte and Spotify to her current role managing a team of Technical Architects at Salesforce and teaching Change Innovation and Management at NYU. Rob and Joanna talk about how the PAD taught the importance of failure and using that experience to leverage her way into a successful career of collaborating and presenting to large groups of people. We talk about the PAD classes that most shaped and (her word) broke her in a way that led her to a better understanding of the value of emerging from a struggle and understanding her true talents applied to business. Do not miss this funny, thought-provoking, and inspiring episode featuring the one and only Joanna McNurlen!